While I think there's an element of truth in wanting to prevent our former President from running for an elected government position again I also believe the impeachment trial is about holding a President, any President, accountable for their actions while in office be it on the first day or last da…
While I think there's an element of truth in wanting to prevent our former President from running for an elected government position again I also believe the impeachment trial is about holding a President, any President, accountable for their actions while in office be it on the first day or last day.
If, as happened on January 6th, a President believed they weren't in any jeopardy for what they said or did since and, in this case, they were only going to be in office for two more weeks, they could theoretically do whatever they wanted and then claim that since they were no longer in office they couldn't be held accountable for their actions because they weren’t a sitting President (assuming Congress wasn't able to complete an impeachment hearing, trial, and conviction within in the remaining time before the President left office).
To me that’s a very dangerous and slippery slope. To me the reason Congress is taking this up right now is because no previous President has ever been in a position at the end of their Presidency where this scenario occurred. The fact both the House and Senate are in control by Democrats clouds what should be a black and white situation but, in my mind, we ALL should be held accountable for our actions whether it be those that stormed the White House or any person who may incite others to take that action.
I would like to use an analogy (it’s not the best but hopefully it will get across my point). In 2011, the US targeted and killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a terrorist whose role was primarily as a recruiter of others and a motivator by writing and creating videos that promoted violence. While he never pulled the trigger on anybody people died because of what he said and wrote and he was held to account.
I am NOT trying to compare a President with a terrorist, say he is a terrorist, or that he should be “taken out”, because I most definitely am NOT saying that. What I AM saying is "words matter" and can and do have serious and deadly implications. Whether they mean to or not, words and speeches can have both intended and intended consequences. I would like to hope and believe anybody who was elected to our Nation's highest office would understand that fact.
In such a polarized political environment, ANY President should use the written and spoken word carefully because there are WAY too many people, on both sides of the fence, just chomping on the bit to take anything said or written out of context and take it to an extreme.
This should be a moment where all of us reflect on where our Country is and that we need to step back from rhetoric, by either side, that enflames people further. What we have in common far exceeds our differences. We need to work together, not against each other. There are too many other issues (health, economic, financial, environmental, geo-political) that need our attention and the ONLY way we’ll solve them is by finding common ground to stand on.
I apologize for the length of this post. I never post, and based on the length of my post, that's probably a good thing... :)
Thank you Karl. I understand what you are saying. And if Congress wants to hold Trump accountable, that is fine. But the impeachment process is not intended for that. The Constitution is sacred, and it's much bigger than one person. We can NOT pervert the Constitution for any reason, and impeaching a president after they are out of office is a perversion of the Constitution.
Glenn- I would enjoy having a cup of coffee (or something else) and discussing whether this impeachment is a perversion of the Constitution or not.
One thing we most definitely agree on is that the Constitution is sacred and was collectively written by people who unfortunately appear to be in small supply these days. The Constitution (along with the Declaration of Independence and Magna Carta) are arguably three of the most amazing documents written by man.
Glenn- regarding your impeachment post:
While I think there's an element of truth in wanting to prevent our former President from running for an elected government position again I also believe the impeachment trial is about holding a President, any President, accountable for their actions while in office be it on the first day or last day.
If, as happened on January 6th, a President believed they weren't in any jeopardy for what they said or did since and, in this case, they were only going to be in office for two more weeks, they could theoretically do whatever they wanted and then claim that since they were no longer in office they couldn't be held accountable for their actions because they weren’t a sitting President (assuming Congress wasn't able to complete an impeachment hearing, trial, and conviction within in the remaining time before the President left office).
To me that’s a very dangerous and slippery slope. To me the reason Congress is taking this up right now is because no previous President has ever been in a position at the end of their Presidency where this scenario occurred. The fact both the House and Senate are in control by Democrats clouds what should be a black and white situation but, in my mind, we ALL should be held accountable for our actions whether it be those that stormed the White House or any person who may incite others to take that action.
I would like to use an analogy (it’s not the best but hopefully it will get across my point). In 2011, the US targeted and killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a terrorist whose role was primarily as a recruiter of others and a motivator by writing and creating videos that promoted violence. While he never pulled the trigger on anybody people died because of what he said and wrote and he was held to account.
I am NOT trying to compare a President with a terrorist, say he is a terrorist, or that he should be “taken out”, because I most definitely am NOT saying that. What I AM saying is "words matter" and can and do have serious and deadly implications. Whether they mean to or not, words and speeches can have both intended and intended consequences. I would like to hope and believe anybody who was elected to our Nation's highest office would understand that fact.
In such a polarized political environment, ANY President should use the written and spoken word carefully because there are WAY too many people, on both sides of the fence, just chomping on the bit to take anything said or written out of context and take it to an extreme.
This should be a moment where all of us reflect on where our Country is and that we need to step back from rhetoric, by either side, that enflames people further. What we have in common far exceeds our differences. We need to work together, not against each other. There are too many other issues (health, economic, financial, environmental, geo-political) that need our attention and the ONLY way we’ll solve them is by finding common ground to stand on.
I apologize for the length of this post. I never post, and based on the length of my post, that's probably a good thing... :)
Thank you Karl. I understand what you are saying. And if Congress wants to hold Trump accountable, that is fine. But the impeachment process is not intended for that. The Constitution is sacred, and it's much bigger than one person. We can NOT pervert the Constitution for any reason, and impeaching a president after they are out of office is a perversion of the Constitution.
Glenn- I would enjoy having a cup of coffee (or something else) and discussing whether this impeachment is a perversion of the Constitution or not.
One thing we most definitely agree on is that the Constitution is sacred and was collectively written by people who unfortunately appear to be in small supply these days. The Constitution (along with the Declaration of Independence and Magna Carta) are arguably three of the most amazing documents written by man.